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from an electronics point (being an electronics engineer) hot swap is bad it makes it even worse that the fact that the xbox is double insulated and isolated from earth and it has potential to be above or below the potential voltage of the other party involved in the hot swap.
even if it is only a so called capacitive "ghost" voltage it could potentially cause dammage from transient loading and it would most likely dammage the tri state buffer's in the data line's of the hdd and ide controller.

ide drives and interfaces dont have current limiting power rails or general overvolt protection (apart from tvs diodes) and make before break ground and power planes.
when a hdd is first inserted its uncharged capacitors demand as much current as is available to charge up the hdd's caps and inductors. If this inrush current is not limited, it could reduce terminal voltages, causing a significant droop on the main voltage lines posssibly resetting connected circuits on the same voltage plane.
this could damaging things due to the high initial current flowing over low current data lines used as supplemental earthing and power planes startup.

professor_jonny wrote:from an electronics point (being an electronics engineer) hot swap is bad it makes it even worse that the fact that the xbox is double insulated and isolated from earth and it has potential to be above or below the potential voltage of the other party involved in the hot swap.
even if it is only a so called capacitive "ghost" voltage it could potentially cause dammage from transient loading and it would most likely dammage the tri state buffer's in the data line's of the hdd and ide controller.

ide drives and interfaces dont have current limiting power rails or general overvolt protection (apart from tvs diodes) and make before break ground and power planes.
when a hdd is first inserted its uncharged capacitors demand as much current as is available to charge up the hdd's caps and inductors. If this inrush current is not limited, it could reduce terminal voltages, causing a significant droop on the main voltage lines posssibly resetting connected circuits on the same voltage plane.
this could damaging things due to the high initial current flowing over low current data lines used as supplemental earthing and power planes startup.

The new method doesn't require any hotswapping, "insulating from the earth", burning CDs at their slowest speeds, digging up eeproms, rebuilding hard drives, overvolt protection, or any of that other stuff like the computer based solutions of the past. I think you're getting mixed up - you think I'm recommending the XBOXHDM solution, when I'm really recommending the safer and easier console based solution.

most people that just want to upgrade their modded xbox with bigger hard drive could get by with just xbhdmaker and probably gonna need XBpartitioner-1.3

I have never hot swapped a xbox and I do not know much about it, I did read about it for a bit looking for options but I decided to use xbhdmaker it seemed like the right way for me to go because I want to mod many Xbox's for years

I do not remember much about what I read about hot swapping and I have never tried it so I can not say what would be better hot swapping or xbhdmaker for someone that just wants to add a bigger hard drive to their personal xbox

it took me using xbhdmaker and chimp cloning to accomplish what I needed to do
ftp'ing games over to xbox is too slow for me to add 100 xbox games or more to every xbox console I do

I tried cloning with xbhdmaker but it did not work for me, and I read that it does not work for most people
cloning with chimp a 320gb only takes 6 hours bit by bit and works perfectly, but that was only with 1 test xbox game next time I clone it will be closer to 100 xbox games

I don't know how it can be done without xbhdmaker because chimp cloning wants to lock and unlock with the keys for the same xbox, I see chimp had some other options for how to get the key from temp folders but I have no idea how to use those options

I need xbhdmaker to unlock and lock hard drives easily to any xbox

I like using chimps to clone C and E drives but i wouldnt use it to copy the contents of F or G, much quicker to FTP back to a PC then ftp over to the new hdd once installed.

when I use ftp it takes up to 5 hours to do 1 game, half of the game files always fail and I have to recue them several time before they finally all copy

I could never use ftp to do a bunch of Xbox's with tons of games on each of them

Im just ftping the games to 1 xbox, and after that I will being cloning with chimp

I think it will be the same 6 hours to clone bit by bit 320gb no matter if the drive is full or empty

6 hours or 6 months , I will choose the 6 hour option, maybe im ftping wrong or something, doesn't matter its working good enough I only need to ftp games 1 time

Must be something wrong as i can transfer Coinops5 @ 61gig in about 3 hrs, a movie at 700mb takes maybe 3-5 minutes.

I can use 2gb sd card and the female usb attachment plugged into the xbox controller port

then I can use a xbox file browser to copy files from the 2gb sd card, it copies the files very fast but 2gb at a time is small and I would have to add data to 2gb sd card many times to get 100 xbox games

does it help if I use a Ethernet cable, im using wireless to ftp

I stopped using wireless it says im getting up to 1,024 KiB's

im not sure what I was getting with my laptop using wireless, but mybe my xbox will stop freezing every time I am trying to ftp now

Ethernet from my laptop to my modem, then Ethernet from modem to xbox console

would it work if I just ran a Ethernet cable from my laptop to my xbox console ?

If your modem is also a router then connecting both via the modem will work and get much faster speeds, i use wifi but if i'm copying multiple files i use ethernet cable.

I changed I few settings in filezilla

like changing the 2 attempts to 99

and 2 downloads at a time to 1 at a time

also lowered the timeouts

now its working much better and faster

clay.r.08 wrote:I changed I few settings in filezilla

like changing the 2 attempts to 99

and 2 downloads at a time to 1 at a time

also lowered the timeouts

now its working much better and faster

One thing worth mentioning is that if both your Xbox and source computer are on wireless, FTP transfers can sometimes be slowed considerably depending on your router and your bridge. I used to find that if I plugged either the laptop or the Xbox into the wired network temporarily that even though the other unit was still on the wireless, the transfer would go much faster.

bigkidoz wrote:Must be something wrong as i can transfer Coinops5 @ 61gig in about 3 hrs, a movie at 700mb takes maybe 3-5 minutes.

Depends on your connection I suppose. My Xbox has to be on a wireless bridge, so transfers are a little slower, but not unbearable either.

clay.r.08 wrote:most people that just want to upgrade their modded xbox with bigger hard drive could get by with just xbhdmaker and probably gonna need XBpartitioner-1.3

I have never hot swapped a xbox and I do not know much about it, I did read about it for a bit looking for options but I decided to use xbhdmaker it seemed like the right way for me to go because I want to mod many Xbox's for years

I do not remember much about what I read about hot swapping and I have never tried it so I can not say what would be better hot swapping or xbhdmaker for someone that just wants to add a bigger hard drive to their personal xbox

it took me using xbhdmaker and chimp cloning to accomplish what I needed to do
ftp'ing games over to xbox is too slow for me to add 100 xbox games or more to every xbox console I do

I tried cloning with xbhdmaker but it did not work for me, and I read that it does not work for most people
cloning with chimp a 320gb only takes 6 hours bit by bit and works perfectly, but that was only with 1 test xbox game next time I clone it will be closer to 100 xbox games

I don't know how it can be done without xbhdmaker because chimp cloning wants to lock and unlock with the keys for the same xbox, I see chimp had some other options for how to get the key from temp folders but I have no idea how to use those options

I need xbhdmaker to unlock and lock hard drives easily to any xbox

That'e exactly what I try to tell people. With the new method, (chimp tool) you only need one software and it's just a one time thing. No "hotswapping" or burning CDs at their lowest settings or anything. While it isn't the fastest way to copy files, it's only a one time thing where you can "set it and forget it" so that even the time it does take isn't a huge deal.

2 Bunny wrote:

SPPV wrote:Your hillarious. Chimp came out like 9 years ago, Is that the past? Theres nothing cruddy about using your eeprom and doing an HDD upgrade the safe way. And any softmodder should learn how to use HDM because in worst case scenarios its your only friend. Yes HDM is old, but it doesnt change the fact it doesnt require a hotswap and that it has features and abilities that Chimp doesnt.

But the point is calling Chimp the new way is grossly misleading since its not new, and advocating hotswap over use of eeprom isnt really something that should be being told to people just starting out.

My "hillarious" what?

When I describe the "chimp" method, I'm not asking anyone to do a "hotswap" or anything unsafe - just the safe and easy way. You don't even have to find an old computer or motherboard or burn CDs at their lowest setting or reinstall anything afterward. I don't want to subject people to those kind of complications their first time by advocating the difficulties of XBOXHDM

OK HDD lesson time LOL
When you unplug your DVD drive and swap in the NEW HDD you are hotswapping. Anytime you switch a media device when power is on is a hotswap. It doesnt have to be a PC. And just for the record 2Bunny theres none of this double work resoftmod bullshit using my apps. That was a defect of using Krayzie Ndure because of how he set the shadow c when you backed up C you got the fake partition and Virgin MS files. My programs require NO backup other than eeprom for locking purposes. Everything you need from MS and softmod files to dash, emus and XBMC comes bundled in the AUtoBuilder or Babylon package.

i have 6 xbox originals, 5 have been hotswapped, all 5 are still running years later cost of an xbox these days is mostly free cost of a hdd is nearly free, i think theres more chance of getting eaten by a shark / people in the ocean. softmod all the way.


sppv and babylon, best installer ever, ive used 3 different ones over the years, babylon kills them and hdd upgrades are a breeze.

anyone have an archive of this thread?
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=659887
this was always the best info i knew hmm site has gone? :/